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Blocking and Vandal Binning[edit]

Don't know where else to put this so I'll stick it here. I am pleased to see a little more forbearance and rationality around blocking and vandal binning. Much less in the way of infinite/super long blocks and invalid vandal binning. The site hasn't been anymore or less inundated with trolls and/or vandals. Just glad to see no one losing their heads. Kudos. As an aside a lot of this page should be archived now. AceModerator 05:40, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

2607:FB90:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 Block[edit]

Dmorris is too "busy" to troll and mediawiki fully supports IPv6 ranged blocks. It appears the block for User:2607:FB90:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 is working. Thanks all.—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 19:51, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Yeah it ain't working, just ignore it, that's what I`m doing. Oxyaena Harass 19:54, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean. The IPv6 block isn't working? I think Dmorris is bluffing.—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 19:58, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
The troll is using various public wifi hot spots not associated with the ipv6 block, e.g. at coffee shops and restaurants, to get around the block that's in place. Cosmikdebris (talk) 20:05, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Do you have real-life confirmation? Sounds more likely. anyway. Two possible scenarios:
  1. Mediawiki's range block feature just happens to not work at Rationalwiki for IPv6 addresses. The range I blocked is a legit T-Mobile range, and is located on the arin website. And DMorris is busy even though he's on Christmas break and has no school. from Ips
  2. Le Internet Tough Guy is bluffing and is using public access points to get around the block.
I think the second is more likely. This is Grawp/DMorris we're talking about. I don't think he would pass up an opportunity to troll us. Besides, when the previous range didn't work, he was more than happy to edit without an account to show his IP. Now he's not doing it.—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 20:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Revert, block, ignore. That's the plan I've been using. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:36, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
^— what he said. Oh and he isn’t the infamous Grawp. That’s just stupid. AceModerator 06:38, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
No, he is. Oxyaena Harass 09:09, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Wanna enlighten us with your evidence for such a claim? AceModerator 09:45, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
there is substantial evidence that I will not post here that DMorris borrowed the grawp name from Wikipedia and that every example of grawp activity on this wiki has been Morris. The original grawp aka Jack, he never posted on this site. EK (talk) 11:21, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I second CheeseburgerFace. If the ipv6 block had failed, Morris would have continued editing openly from Ips in the range to stick it up our faces. Thus, it must have succeeded.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 16:06, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Blackhat SEO Spammer?[edit]

I've seen this a few times over here. What's a "Blackhat SEO Spammer"? --Tinribmancer (talk) 16:55, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

It's a bot that creates articles to post links to random websites in order to boost them in search engines. SEO stands for Search Engine Optimization. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄Ask about our holiday specials! 17:02, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

"downvoted into oblivion"[edit]

How many downvotes must one votepoll atleast have on the "To do list" section in order to be removed? -10? --Tinribmancer (talk) 14:26, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Ideologically motivated block[edit]

I have been blocked or put in the vandal bin without warning or explanation on multiple occasions for the apparent crime of whitewashing. Mainly I changed certain anti-Catholic parts of articles that were unsourced or poorly sourced and that were historically inaccurate. Specifically I cited professional historians who showed that the Fulda and Freising bishop conferences excommunicated Nazis other than Goebbels were excommunicated. This has been attested by Gary L. Krupp and Donald J. Dietrich. I also referenced the role of Pope Pius XII in the 20th July plot to assassinate Hitler. I was told to go here with how I`d been censored. Hopefully free discussion will be encouraged in the future and I won`t be punished for making historically accurate edits. JohnLogan (talk) 16:34, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

As I have pointed out elsewhere, Mr. Krupp is not a professional historian, nor does he have training in that field. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:40, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Dear Sir or Madam: Kindly refrain from sea lioning further.

Go away, whitewashing sealion. Quit shit-stirring.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 17:10, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@Summa Atheologica I'm not convinced that this person is a sealion, at least not yet. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 17:19, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
JohnLogan, from what I've seen, your 4 mainspace edits since 2007 have been void of citations. If you want to make a contribution that is contrary to what is already written, it behooves you to include a citation in the edit to a reputable book, journal or mainstream media source that backs up what you're saying. RationalWiki is not meant to be a repository of random opinions on mainspace pages. If you want to offer your unsubstantiated opinions, you are welcome to do so on the talk pages. I think that the vandal binning was unwarranted however. Bongolian (talk) 18:27, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
I would agree with @Bongolian and have thus paroled this user. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:34, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

I might be out of line, but oxy needs to cool it[edit]

"TrumpImpeachmentSham" might be a pretty obvious obvious sign of someone who is only intending to register to troll, but it is in no way, shape, or form against any sort of policy about usernames. I guess this is slap-on-the-wrist territory in terms of harm done, but it's going way too far. I blocked oxy for longer than I should have, but I'm pretty sure it's too far. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:08, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

They were vandalizing articles with "fuck n-words," so while the ban reason may be wrong they still deserved a ban. Oxyaena Harass 16:24, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
I do believe that was ikanreed's point. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:34, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
It wasn't my point, but only because I totally missed those edits. When you rename them it changes the logs. Seriously, I couldn't even see that because of the unnecessary rename. Save it for when it's harassing a user or pretending to be user or threatening or other similar problems. I guess I'm not surprised though. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:36, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Return of the troll/vandal[edit]

As some of you may have noticed, there was a recent series of troll attacks, likely from the person above given their nature. I did a bit of poking around into the person's criminal history on public record sites. It seems that the person's criminal history. It seems that he opened his first account on RW shortly after his 5-year parole ended for misdemeanor stalking/felony fraud. He had a prior juvenile arrest for "written threats to kill or do bodily injury", but the adjudication on that is not public. All the dots are rather tightly connected between his criminal record, CP editing history, and RW editing history, so this is not easily deniable on his part. It really does look bad for him to keep up this quasi-stalking behavior on RW now that he's got a prior conviction. If anyone's feels like they've been personally harassed by him, I advise you to contact law enforcement or a lawyer sooner, rather than later. I can post the links for this information if anyone's interested. Bongolian (talk) 19:45, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Please do so. Oxyaena Harass 20:56, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
I know you already know his first and last name. So as not to make this appear like doxxing, I'll just tell you the procedure; the pages are not directly linkable anyway because you have to go through a Captcha to get there and the pages do not load with unique web addresses. From his first and last name, you can find his middle name and date of birth from his arrest record here:[1] There are three records for two people who turn up. It will probably be obvious to you who is who. From knowing that information you can narrow down the court case records to the correct person here:[2] Once you find his court case records, you click on the folder icon and dig down until you get to the summary page, which includes the case docket. The docket gives a detailed chronology for the case, including documents on charges, adjudication, sentencing, and requests by the parolee to end parole. Bongolian (talk) 22:20, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Nah, this strikes me as being more the work of EiK. Oxyaena Harass 16:55, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Another spammer[edit]

http://rationalwiki.nym.mx/wiki/Special:Contributions/ spammed a couple pages. I took out the spam but don't have blocking powers. — Unsigned, by: Dave Wise 2 / talk / contribs

Locked out of old sysop account[edit]

My old account was User:Jinx, which had (and still has) sysop rights. I am now using this account because I can't remember the password for my old one. If there is some way a mod could transfer sysop rights from Jinx to my current account (of course if you need me to prove that I am telling the truth, that is fine), that would be great. Jinkinson (talk) 04:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Note: Jinkinson was sysopped by Oxyaena. Bongolian (talk) 05:35, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
We can rename your account if you need to, by the way. Don't think there's a way to transfer edit history, so apologies for the inconvenience. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 05:41, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Fuck it I resign.[edit]

Apparently trying to crack down on toxicity in the Saloon bar is a bad thing. Fuck it! Kill each other then!!! ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:29, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

I heard there is a coronavirationalwiki disease spreading. DuceMoosolini resigned, Oxyaena threatened to leave. Everyone is going to resign and I am going to be the new don around here. John66 (talk) 19:20, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I already claimed that title. wink wink, nudge nudge. Oxyaena Harass 19:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
  • do you mind calming down and maybe not dying over the US election or whatever it is that has everyone acting weird and combative. EK (talk) 19:29, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Election season. I wonder if 2016 was any different. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
      It wasn't. There were just more people. RoninMacbeth (talk) 05:44, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Don't be silly. Go outside, ring your doorbell and let yourself in.Ariel31459 (talk) 20:19, 12 March 2020 (UTC)


Re: this user. An infinite block was handed out for this user after three edits. The reason given was "ban evasion morris". This seems to me to be an unjustified use of the banhammer and grossly subjective and excessive. I cannot see where this user exhibited behavior patterns associated with the banned user dmorris, and I cannot see how the posts this user made warant the action taken. This is not meant to be a slam against @Oxyaena. I am just trying to understand this issue better. Cosmikdebris (talk) 18:59, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, that was excessive. Bongolian (talk) 19:03, 16 March 2020 (UTC) How does one conclude that was Morris? Oxy's been wrong about this at least once before I think. Bongolian (talk) 19:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
My read is that Oxy perhaps assumed it was Morris based on the comments accusing them of being an authoritarian mod as well as the comments about the past to the site? On the other hand, their last comment would seem to suggest that they're a Bernie supporter which would run contrary to what I know about Morris (which admittedly isn't a lot). The Crow (talk) 21:57, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
its obviously not a new user, as shown by their sniping at the admins here. And detailed knowledge of past mod elections and site policies. EK (talk) 22:14, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Frankly, I would've given it a vandal bin after seeing its comments myself. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 01:41, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
I didn't like GreenNewDeal's calling out of two users as being problematic, I didn't like the comments about how RationalWiki isn't as good as it used to be in the good old days either. But just because someone writes something you don't like doesn't make that person Morris. GreenNewDeal has done nothing that warrants any kind of ban. Yet. Spud (talk) 06:10, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
They're obviously here in bad faith, and the fact they targeted two specific users, one Morris has specific enmities with, is suspect enough. Oxyaena Harass 13:24, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Being there in bad faith doesn't mean they should be blocked for stating an opinion. They only oughta be blocked if they are well, being unreasonable or trying to vandalize mainspace pages (which Morris is but GND hasn't done beyond calling a mod and a tech names, which probably should more be warranting a short term block or a vandal bin than a permanent block) if I understand the blocking policy and community standards page properly, not permanently blocked for holding an opinion and expressing it. Unless there's additional evidence that they're Morris (beyond "this person has beef with someone Morris has also beef with", which is pretty shallow if I'm being 100% honest), this probably should not have been a permanent block if I may state my input on the entire matter. The Crow (talk) 16:30, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Given the way that GND began edits, the likelihood that GND will ever act in good faith is diminishingly small. Starting with a 3-day block would have been better, but I find it hard to get worked up about permabanning this shit-stirrer. Bongolian (talk) 17:59, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Hence vandal bin. It still has an opportunity to dispute it and act in better faith, but its own opportunities on stirring the pot are reduced. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 18:28, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Agreed. If we don't have a vandal bin in the future, we'll need some policy revision for bad-faith editing or other VB reasons. Bongolian (talk) 18:35, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

New member here but experienced Wikipedian. I have a draft article but can't even begin it here because of new account limitations; suggestions?[edit]

Hello all, been doing Wikipedia simply for ages, and enjoy reading RW to get a more conversational and snarky take on conspiracy theorists and white supremacists and all without the stuffy standards of Wikipedia. Both great sites, just different angles.

Anyhow, I was talking with some folks on Reddit about how the folks in the far-right in India get a lot of latitude to crap up social media sites in English because the average Admin/AEO tech guy in California has no idea how nasty some of the jargon/slurs they toss around are. Like the Admin would know what "1488" or "(((international bankers)))" mean but has no clue when Indian users even typing in English are basically making "burn down all the mosques" comments but using their clever little inside jokes to make them.

So I'm ginning up a draft, but I can't launch it even as a Draft: article because the automod trips and thinks I'm trying to spam. Any suggestions on the most efficient way for me to establish bonafides here of my good faith to contribute so I can kick things off, even if just in Draftspace at first? TapTheForwardAssist (talk) 19:05, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@TapTheForwardAssist What title do you want for the page? Bongolian (talk) 19:50, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
@Bongolian for the moment just Draft:Indian Right glossary would be peachy. Then I can get some Redditors who don't know wikicode to pitch in content, I can use my simple "coding" skills to clean it up, and then I can launch it (or get someone to do the Page Move if I don't have the permissions yet). Does that work for you? Thanks! TapTheForwardAssist (talk) 19:55, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
@TapTheForwardAssist I made Draft:Indian right-wing glossary, which is a bit clearer. If you're still having problems, I can autopatrol you and that should then fix it. Bongolian (talk) 21:55, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
@Bongolian Danke! Now I'll go rustle up some folks I know who tackle Indian extremism on Reddit and get them to pitch in some content, and I'll get it all polished up to the point it can be moved over to realspace. Appreciate the hookup. TapTheForwardAssist (talk) 22:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Jonathan Kane[edit]

This article was deleted "per discord" but I cannot get access to that.

The reason was apparently dox, but this person is a well known debunker of creationist material. There was no dox on the article because he has identified what his Wikipedia username was. This guy authored a very notable book refuting creationist claims. His article was on mission. Was a mistake made here? If you check on Amazon his book can be found under the name "Jonathan Kane". John66 (talk) 00:16, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Ah here is the book http://www.amazon.com/-/es/Jonathan-Kane/dp/1629013722/, I haven't read it so far. John66 (talk) 00:19, 2 April 2020 (UTC)